In a very unique episode of the Ex-Man, Doc speaks with two listeners and fans of the podcast. First, Doc converses with Matt Neufeld, a defense attorney from Texas, about why he likes the Ex-Man podcast, how he got into law, and delve into the complexities of the modern criminal justice system. They also discuss the NBA and the San Antonio Spurs in the show outro.

In the 2nd half of the show, Doc speaks with Thomas Crawford, guitarist of songwriter of the band Ceraphym. They discuss his evolution of trying to build a band while also maintaining a demanding career and moving cross country, the advantage of modern technology like Superior Drummer in songwriting with band members that aren’t local, and what the challenges of being an independent artist in the ever-changing heavy music world entail.

This episode features the song “Mouthpeace” by Ceraphym.

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