Ex-Man Podcast Ep. 131 – Stevic MacKay (Twelve Foot Ninja)

Doc welcomes Twelve Foot Ninja guitarist, Stevic MacKay, to the show and they talk about Twelve Foot Ninja’s career, his personal struggle with the pitfalls of trying to break the band internationally, and then the two discuss the Stevic’s disagreements with The Punk MBA’s Finn McKenty about how rock and metal bands deal with the Spotify pay structure.

This episode features the songs “Shooken To The Core” by Generation Underground, “Beliefs” by The Silencer, and “Invincible” by Twelve Foot Ninja.

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Are Metal Musicians Doomed to a Life of Poverty?

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This is a subject I meant to address a few months back when Thy Art Is Murder vocalist, CJ McMahon, quit the band due to claims of horrific financial living conditions that he could no longer accept. He claimed to only have made “$16k-$18k each over 6-7 years”. It was not made clear if that is in US dollars or Australian dollars, or if he meant $16,000-$18,000 per year or the total amount earned over a 6-7 year period. It’s worded in a way to insinuate that he was only making $2,200-$2,500 per year, which seems a bit far-fetched, but I’ll push forward with the notion that whether he made $18,000 per year or $2,200, either amount was insufficient for leading an independent adult lifestyle.

The first thing that baffled me by the online reaction to this story was the surprise from non-musicians that extreme metal bands might not make a lot of money. When I started with God Forbid in the late ‘90s, I didn’t know you could even make a living doing extreme music. In that time, an assumption has grown that metal musicians should or deserve to make a living solely from making albums and touring. I don’t know exactly where that assumption came from, but it just strikes me as an odd, if not overly idealistic stance.

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